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Aphoxema G
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.05 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Aphoxema G on 05/05/2010 22:24:04
Perhaps this thread should be retitled "Malkalen Disaster Memorial Disaster". Our encounter only aided in the uncertainty to where your hearts lie. Would it have been so hard to deny your loyalty to CVA or do you still abide by them?
The memorial has been spoiled by the hands of those whom followed the will of slavers.
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Aphoxema G
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.05 23:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Stitcher
With one hand you denounced the organizers of this memorial, claiming that they dishonoured the dead by affiliation. With the other hand, you opened fire on a ship that had undocked with peaceful intentions, killed its crew.
War had been actively declared and both sides knew this perfectly well. There was no way to know the intent of the captain because the captain had failed to communicate the intent of undocking.
It isn't the media or reporters or the mangled tendrils of pundits that carry on Star Fraction or freedom itself. It is the willingness to fight the tyrants and memes that attempt to steal individuals and force them into labor or belief. In this scenario, the media would hopefully be a tool to resign your alliance of the title of slaver apologists.
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Aphoxema G
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.05 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 05/05/2010 23:32:34
Originally by: Aphoxema G
War had been actively declared and both sides knew this perfectly well. There was no way to know the intent of the captain because the captain had failed to communicate the intent of undocking.
Oh had he...?
Allow me to quote from the local channel logs:
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[ 2010.05.05 20:27:27 ] John Revenent > Now I am undocking alone to speak with you Miss Constantine.
Looks like a bloody communication of intent to me. go review the logs yourself if for some reason you disbelieve me.
I am aware of that transmission and the timing of it. Had John Revenent allowed time for a response the situation would have panned out differently. Of course, I can only speak for myself and to some extent Daedalus X. Officially the alliance may come to a different conclusion.
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Aphoxema G
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.06 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Akai Tsumi
And after TWO minmatar pilots, both being in direct relationship with Ishukone-Raata, saying that the alliance is not supporting slavery and has never been.
Star Fraction does not now nor ever has consider race or lineage to be a practical indicator of status or disposition.
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Aphoxema G
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.06 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Akai Tsumi
Tell me what's wrong in not shooting a pilot who claimed that he is undocking to discuss the matters? He could have easily talked with you from within the station. Instead he preferred a face-to-face discussion. And you preferred to kill the diplomat and all the crew on his ship. His crew knew what they were doing and I am most certain that they were willing to give their lives for the right cause. To live and die for The State. You fulfilled that desire.
I believe Jade Constantine earlier requested such a "face to face" discussion and was well ignored. The situation changed and John Revenent failed to prepare for it. Time is a vital factor in these sorts of discussions and at present there is no regret for your party's failure to acknowledge a threat.
There was no promise made, none was broken. There was the opportunity to discuss things diplomatically but our conversation earlier only added to the precarious position of peace between us.
This will need to be addressed. Don't try to argue fault, don't try to explain to us how completely wrong we are. There will be meaningful discussion or else the threat of war will constantly hang over your heads.
Do you want to be responsible as the former supporters of slavery or in this uncertain position where you can be anything anyone can imagine?
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Aphoxema G
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.06 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction's position on the so-called memorial organised by Ishuk-Raata [...]
I only dream to be the orator my (nominal) superior is.
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Aphoxema G
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.06 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Ah! Now the actual motivation is revealed.
You deaf idiot! This is what had been said all along, at the memorial, throughout this entire thread... and only now it finally strikes you!
You understand none of this... I can't believe you even knew why you were at the remnants of the station yesterday.
The Star Fraction is not a perfect group of superhumans whom have been blessed upon the EVE cluster by God and any of the membership is as capable of error as any human being ought to be. However, the system that the alliance relies upon to conduct operations like this isn't as simple "Oh these guys are so dumb let's go screw up their party," no!
This was a heart felt decision many of us made in hesitation because we were well aware of the risk of poor publicity. Still, we prepared ever since the decision was made final and we came to state our opinion in blinding contrast to yours.
You avoid us, ignore our attempts at communication. This could all be avoided if your position with CVA was made clear. As long as you remain so silent and ambiguous on your associations with these enslavers of all mind, body and politics you shall be in conflict with the tenets of The Star Fraction and therefor considered a threat to free space and free minds.
Will you continue to waste this opportunity with pride? Will you choose to stand accused of continuing to cavort with CVA?
All you have to do to end this dispute gone beyond reasonable is either admit you still support CVA or tell the public you have officially escaped their rule. It really isn't asking that much.
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Aphoxema G
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.06 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn
You may want to check your information concerning my whereabouts at the time in question.
I apologize for my presumptiveness. I shouldn't have assumed you had any idea what was going on.
Originally by: Aphoxema G
The Star Fraction is not a perfect group [...]
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Oh really? Go on.
Do you really want to wait to perk your ears up until gossipy material comes along? No, that's you being sarcastic... oh, right, you already have a negative disposition with Star Fraction and are apparently biased in this discussion.
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
And yet the war was declared specifically to "screw up their party" and retracted immediately after that was accomplished.
Would you expect otherwise when we're the ones paying for the mess?
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Can you quantify that hesitation in comparison to the risk?
Yeah. The risk sucked but letting the desecration go unmolested sucked worse.
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
So the entirety of this thread prior to my single post in it was for my benefit? I am flattered.
Of course this relates to my presumptiveness that you were somehow intristically involved in the ordeal and not just butting in on the conversation.
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
That would be because you have nothing I want and do not generally interest me.
Et cetera, I really need to learn how to sort the players out. Disregard that because you were irrelevent to the action.
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
We were a CVA neutral for a while, then a CVA red.
The fact that CVA disliked us does not make your argument less stupid.
And my foot finds its way into my mouth further.
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Perhaps I missed the memo that explained my obligation to explain my own or my corporation's actions to a non-shareholding, non-State actor.
Can you resend it?
Disregard that, also. I'm a little embarassed now but if you were actually involved I'd still mean what I said.
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Or else what? My dear lady, you seem to be under the false assumption that intimidation through the threat of CONCORD-sanctioned violence, or, even worse, bad standings in an area of space I never traverse will force a desired action from either myself or the Corporation that I represent. Like a frightened baby chipmunk, you are afraid of anything that is different. Like an infant, you try so hard to make a round peg fit a square hole. Stop that cognitive dissonanceùit's unbecoming an intelligent individual.
And apparently I wasted my words on the wrong person. Would you kindly forward everything I said to Ishuk-Raata so I can actually work towards progress?
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Aphoxema G
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.06 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Natalcya Katla
Dead people don't care about honor. Dead people don't care about insults. Dead people don't care if the living remember them, or are interrupted in doing so. Dead people are dead, which means that they used to be alive, used to exist, but don't do so any longer.
Claiming to speak on behalf of dead people is absurd. Claiming to work for the interests of dead people is insane.
This attack seems to have been perfectly legal. What more is there to know?
Honoring the dead isn't just for the dead, it's also for those who still live and remember.
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